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Back in the day, the MS growth seemed like unstoppable war ship (MS was viral). | 380 comments | Create New Account
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Back in the day, the MS growth seemed like unstoppable war ship (MS was viral).
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 09:23 AM EDT
MS in the day, was growing, embracing, extending,
extinguishing, in government supported viral ways, without
penalty. And directly in the MS sights, was the enterprise
UNIX installs. So, many of those were SUN's existing
customers and lines of UNIX business areas, that without
those, who then is SUN? Everyone was thinking" "how do we
slow Microsoft down"... and key is applications?

Any shot into the sides of the unsinkable MS war ship, would
have the affect of slowing them down a little bit (as anti-
trust case, had no affect at all). So, SUN CEO was smart
and freed JAVA (as that has helped, even to this day, to
slow Microsoft in the Android vs MS phone situation that was
the reason why Google did Android in the first place).

Oracle should be thankful that JAVA was freed, and to
support FREE software more than they do (look at what they
are doing to MySQL to see that they are trying to take that
proprietary these days, over the long term, as a plan, as

Hmmm, I wonder how much MS stock that Larry owns? Does he
favor MS in any way? Any conflict of interest that his
stockholders should be aware of?

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Sun would not let J2SE run on a phone.
Authored by: rsteinmetz70112 on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 10:32 AM EDT
The crux of the problem is that Java ME didn't do what Google needed and Sun
would not license J2SE for that use.

I'm surprised that this message was not delivered more forcefully to the jury.

I'm also surprised more wasn't made of Google having a license for Harmony.

But I could have missed that. It seems to me both sides spent too much time on
the actions of executives and too little time of the actual stuff.

Rsteinmetz - IANAL therefore my opinions are illegal.

"I could be wrong now, but I don't think so."
Randy Newman - The Title Theme from Monk

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 24 2012 @ 01:24 PM EDT
Just a quick note that you might want to check your stated "FACT"...Linux's initial release was in 1991, only a few months after the release of Windows 3.0. Windows 3.0, while successful, was hardly the biggest OS player, let alone a monoply of reckoning.

The reality is, most of the development of Linux and its GNU tools was during the days of Mac, Amiga, and DOS when the big players (IBM, HP, ATT et al) all cared about Unix mainframes and terminals rather than standalone workstations. OSS software exists because of Unix.

Hmm...perhaps that explains why it it GNU (GNUs Not Unix) and not GNMS and it is Linux instead of Lincrosoft.

Even today, while very much considered an alternative (if not primary) option over Unix in many cases, is not a very serious desktop contender to MS. It is the adoption of tablet and a return to a mainframe style of computing (Cloud Computing...centralized computing with dumb(ish) workstations connected to it...this is the entire premiss of Chrome OS and VM thin/ zero clients) that are the real threat to MS on the workstation. Some of these assults very well may be Linux based, but the idea of them being any form of theat is fairly recent.

Sun's business decisions had little to do with MS directly and were done much more due to a changing market in which they were struggling. Intel and AMD began to commoditize the lower end sever market allowing Unix (x86), Linux, and MS to began cutting into both their hardware and software market. Failing primary business, issues monetizing Java, a large amount of angst with the development community (affecting the ability to attract new developers and stop the bleeding of current ones), and a lack of direction is what led them to the hail mary pass of OSSing Java more than anything.
Linux Wiki and Windows Wiki
Note: Appologies for anonymous, I seem to be having login issues.

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