Authored by: bugstomper on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 09:23 AM EDT |
Please summarize in the Title box error->correction or s/error/correction/ to
make it easy to for Mark or PJ to see what needs to be corrected and for readers
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Authored by: bugstomper on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 09:25 AM EDT |
Please stay off topic in these threads. Clicky links and entertaining comments
are fine as long as they are off topic.
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Authored by: bugstomper on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 09:28 AM EDT |
Pick your News here. Please put the title of the News Picks article in the Title
box of your comment and include a clickable link to the article posted in HTML
Formatted mode for the convenience of readers after the article has scrolled off
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Authored by: bugstomper on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 09:30 AM EDT |
Please post Comes exhibit transcriptions here using full HTML markup but posted
in Plain Old Text mode so PJ can easily copy and paste it
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Authored by: Yossarian on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 09:32 AM EDT |
IANAL so the question may be a little naive.
If a trial is not open to the public, how can the public know
if justice is done? How can "we" judge the quality of the
court if "we" can not see *all* the material that the court
has used in order to reach a verdict?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 09:47 AM EDT |
I can feel the razor blade shredding what little remains of Oracles copyright
case already.
Was it the filing cabinet demo what done it?[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 10:35 AM EDT |
As the Jury gets to take their own notes, it dawns on me that a good process
for a Juror to follow would be:
1: Take notes in your words of what the Side
wants to prove. This can be found in the points that are made during the
opening statement.
2: Make a check list of those notes.
3: As
the Side makes it's case, add notes with regards what evidence is presented for
each point.
4: As the opposing side does it's cross - verify if the
evidence presented is established (such as when Larry decided to answer I-dunno
when his video deposition meant Yes).
If you follow that process, while
paying attention (I personally don't do well with regards being able to think
about what's being presented while I'm taking notes), I think you'd have quite
the score board to add up at the end.
RAS[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: indyandy on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 11:18 AM EDT |
He was referred to laterally in this thread yesterday.
He was
credited in this email as being the author of some code (TimSort.java') submitted by
Google that contained the rangeCheck function.
The link in the email gives a
404 but further down the thread someone gives this link to it. (rangeCheck is at the bottom) [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: hAckz0r on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 11:29 AM EDT |
Mr Reinhold apparently doesn't know the Java Language very well. He stated:
you could do computations on numbers and strings and generate
them, but you wouldn't be able to do anything with them"
In
reality, its kind of hard to create a String or a Number without an API, when
both String and Number ( AtomicInteger, AtomicLong, BigDecimal, BigInteger,
Byte, Double, Float, Integer, Long, Short) are a both subclass of Object, and
thus they all have an API such that all construction and manipulation depend on
operator() methods of the class. Without a constructor you could never even
create them, and could never manipulate them in any way, since the code to do so
is part of the Class objects API library.
Ok, so you could create a character
array such as "static char[] = {'a','b',c'};" but then you would have fun trying
to change it, or do anything with it without first converting it to type String.
So much for Oracles expertise on Java.
See both Number
and
String
classes for details. --- DRM - As a "solution", it solves the
wrong problem; As a "technology" its only 'logically' infeasible. [ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: TiddlyPom on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 11:54 AM EDT |
If you had to LICENSE the use of simple programming language APIs (for which you
have been GIVEN the source code) - how could you possibly police this! It is
not as if the libraries are closed source libraries (a-la-Microsoft or Apple) -
they are open source for all to see.
Existing cases of black box reverse engineering treat the APIs as the boundaries
of the system which is being examined and infer behavior based on observed
inputs and outputs. As more than one news article notes, trying to somehow
'protect' simple method calls (aka function call) would make using these
libraries (aka APIs) too dangerous for programmers to use. People would write
their own (as has happened - like using Apache's Standard Windowing Toolkit
instead of the Abstract Window Toolkit (AWT) or Swing). These are APIs as well
of course - as are any LIBRARY calls. Oracle is talking about forcing Google to
pay for using the STANDARD JAVA LIBRARIES when the entire set of libraries are
published as open source software under the GNU Public License!
The whole point of open source software is that people use it in interesting and
novel ways that the inventor (perhaps) never thought of. That's called
innovation and is supposed to be part of the great 'American Way' (or at least I
assume it is being British and not part of the USA system?). It is this ability
to take any piece of open source software as a building block and combine it
with any other which is the basis behind open source development.
What a monstrous basis for a court case!
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Support Software Freedom - use GPL licenced software like Linux and LibreOffice
instead of proprietary software like Microsoft Windows/Office or Apple OS/X[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 12:22 PM EDT |
Google carefully selected the API implementation comparison to sure that
Oracle's (Sun's) implementation not only differs from Google's but Google's
implementation is much more concise, shorter. To add even more insult, Google
shows that the concise implementation is common knowledge (Knuth) and freely
available. Talk about the high effort spent by Oracle in implementation. Ouch. I
doubt that Larry Egoson or one of its lawyers even detects how much fun Google
makes of them. If you thought the Nazgul is terrible, then Google is even
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 01:13 PM EDT |
Here are the twitter users live tweeting today (that I could
find):
Brandon Bailey Link
Dan Levine Link
James Niccolai Link
Ginny LaRoe Link
Caleb Garling Link
James Temple Link
And some interesting
tweets:
BrandonBailey - Judge warns attys he still doesn't know if some sw
elements in dispute are in fact covered by copyright. It's a tuff case..
Dan
Levine - Larry Page has been called, but he's in the restroom.
James
Niccolai - Judge has complained reporters typing too loudly, a few of us were
told to shut our PCs yesterday. 10 nervous reporters tying quietly
today
Caleb Garling - Curious to know how many of the lawyers have ever
really coded before. My guess is that it's a very round number.
Caleb
Garling - Correction: The Google attorney rebutting Oracle's claims about
definitions in programming language has definitely coded before
James Temple
- Boies tries to get a new document submitted into evidence during Page's
testimony, judge shuts it down
Caleb Garling - Alleged email to Google upper
management being denied into evidence because Larry Page can't ID it. Oracle
counsel not happy
Caleb Garling - "You're leading this witness up and down,"
Alsup to Oracle re: Screven.
Caleb Garling - "The $7.4 billion dollar
number has nothing to with this case" -Alsup to jury. This was Oracle's previous
damage assessment
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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 18 2012 @ 04:14 PM EDT |
Quoting Larry Ellison:
Sun, has done a fantastic job, uh,
invent-inventing Java, uh,
expanding Java, opening up Java, giving
Java to the
world...
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