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Sun's Core Java books volume 1 & 2 since 1998?
Authored by: mbouckaert on Thursday, May 03 2012 @ 08:32 PM EDT
What is annoying is that there is little in Java that is
"original". There is a lot, however, that shows remarkable
and laudable persistence and sweat-of-the-brow polish.

Interpreters are very old hat. IBM System/360 model 30.

Portable interpreters are too. The TSL series of
languages/interpreters I used to work on/with ran on
Burroughs Large Systems, RCA 1802 and Intel 8086
architectures.

Object orientation is not a Java invention. Smalltalk, C++
and so on.

Same for the purpose of most Java libraries.

Now, what *is* new is the effort it took to bring all of
that together under one umbrella: Portable interpreters for
several wildly different architectures, *plus* libraries to
do meaningful work with these interpreters.

Where functionality was originally created, for instance the
IP stack, different areas were developed by different
companies at different times. Sun did rewrite *everything*.
The JSP helped much, but the persistence (plus some) was
Sun's.

IMHO this would be worthy of some reward. But copyrights
and patents do not fit that objective.

The goodwill and admiration etc. that had currency in the
field some time ago are, I believe, the reason why BSD does
demand very little as a counterpart for granting licenses.

But these have been devalued, and the GPL is an attempt to
force people who adopt the result of lotsa development work
to give something in return.

We need to reevaluate things that are not money.



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bck

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Sun's Core Java books volume 1 & 2 since 1998?
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 01:48 AM EDT
So given that all this talk of SSO is in fact just filenames and folder locations, but obfuscated from view by zip files, I find it extremely hard to believe that copyright extends to file and folder arrangements on computers.
OS4000 uses the dot as a catalog (aka directory aka folder) separator in the full path to filenames. OS4000 definitely predates Java (I was using it at Uni in 1983/4). The C compiler for OS4000 stored header files as files called H in catalogs (directories) called STDIO, etc in a catalog (directory) called INCLUDE (which was in ..., etc back to an initial context - SYS [IIRC]).

So Java's organisation there is definitely a copy of OS4000's organisation.

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Sun's Core Java books volume 1 & 2 since 1998?
Authored by: BJ on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 02:10 PM EDT
The dot notation is required as per the Java BNF.

That it happens to be related to the filesystem
hierarchy is unimportant.

bjd


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