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Authored by: jbb on Thursday, May 03 2012 @ 09:59 PM EDT
Great catch! I too looked around and could not find the Spring company Larry was referring to. I'd bet money that there is *no* company making money from making an incompatible re-implementation of the core Java APIs. We should probably search hard to find out if there is any other company he could possibly (now) claim he was referring to.

I can't blame Google's lawyers for not catching this. There has to be some presumption of honesty when the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation testifies under oath (h'mmm, perhaps that is a bad assumption). The problem was they just didn't have the technical expertise to realize how wildly improbably Ellison's claim was.

I have no doubt that this sneaky trick was thought out ahead of time. It fits into a pattern of BS&F dirty tricks. They have found ways to game the legal system to give themselves unfair advantages. Someday the system will need to be fixed so people can't systematically benefit from intentional perjury. In the meantime, we have to rely on judges to raise the issue again after the side that was victimized has a chance to do a little research.

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Question 4 has a hidden bombshell
Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, May 03 2012 @ 10:19 PM EDT
Groovy on Rails?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grails_(framework)

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Question 4 has a hidden bombshell
Authored by: PJ on Thursday, May 03 2012 @ 11:51 PM EDT
Interesting. It is possible the reporter
wrote down the wrong name, also. If anyone
has the time, please read all the coverage
of Ellison's time on the stand by other
journalists and see what you find on this
point about Spring or SpringSource.

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XAVA Springboard Java Library
Authored by: jbb on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 02:05 AM EDT
link(4-page pdf)

SPRINGBOARD is a set of java classes that can be plugged directly into your J2EE Internet solutions, and save months of development time. With springboard you get:
  • Real-time credit card processing.
  • Integrated E-mail, SMS & FAX transmission capabilities.
  • User registration and authentication mechanisms.
  • Batch Processing and scheduling engine
  • Fast tracked database handlers
  • Fully J2EE compliant
Like the other one (and probably all others ones), I'm sure they are using the core Java APIs and just building on top of them.

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than the one we’re in now — the one that we think is reality.
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Question 4 has a hidden bombshell
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 04:04 AM EDT
To be fair with Oracle, Spring does replace a lot of APIs SUN wanted to make
'core' for Enterprise apps (except they bungled theirs so much there was a
market for a different API).

Remember that while SUN/Oracle is screaming about 'fragmentation' they *did*
segment their market extensively in J2ME, J2SE, and J2EE (and segmentation is
nothing but fragmentation 'justified' by increased earnings).

One of the things Spring allows is building apps in the segment J2EE targets
using only J2SE + additional Spring APIs.

The main reason the Java ecosystem was ripe for an Android-like endeavour was
the extensive way SUN weakened Java integrity to try to make a few more bucks
while fighting for survival : J2EE vs Spring (SpringSource) and others,
GlassFish vs Tomcat (Apache), Java modules vs OSGI (Eclipse/IBM), openjdk vs
harmony (Apache) vs java 1.6 (SUN, yes there was also massive insider infighting
and it appears in one of the testimonies), Swing vs JavaFX vs SWT (Eclipse/IBM)
vs anyone that actually tried to build java gui apps, focusing their tooling
efforts on windows (where they had no presence) rather than giving any help to
Linux since it competed with Solaris, etc

SUN wanted the influence of being Java's steward, but mostly behaved like a
petty chief that resented anyone else that made Java enhancements, and made a
lot of decisions which had no technical sense at all (like tight control on J2ME
while letting it rot) but aimed solely at improving its own bottom like (and
like many bad decisions motivated by greed a lot of them backfired big time).

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Question 4 has a hidden bombshell
Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, May 04 2012 @ 04:33 AM EDT
In the UK there is a recruitment company called
Spring

http://www.spring.com/

And there is also the Spring class in the swing
framework

javax.swing.Spring (from
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/)

Not really UK based though unless
someone from the UK donated it to Java

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