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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 12:59 PM EDT |
Before the usual haters come. This is not about something simple such as RMS
saying that proprietary drivers/codecs in ubuntu are bad. RMS hasn't asked
FLISOLS to stop promoting ubuntu when it made that jump.
This is about something that from RMS' perspective is worse. It is the abuse of
users. RMS' has taken the conclusion that this is a form of user abuse.
Canonical is collecting your desktop searches. For RMS this is very bad for free
software in general because we can no longer claim that a free software OS will
protect you from this sorts of abuses.
The data collected from desktop searches can be abused and is very valuable for
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- FaceBook is of the Devil - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:02 PM EDT
- We can trust Canonical - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:04 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:18 PM EDT
- 99% of us really have either no capacity to do that - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:32 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:44 PM EDT
- Is this whole Unity thing starting to make sense now? n/t - Authored by: albert on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:47 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: PJ on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 10:48 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 05:50 AM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: PJ on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:08 AM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:36 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: designerfx on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 11:21 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Wol on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 11:57 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 04:42 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 05:52 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Steve Martin on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:22 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Wol on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 09:14 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: cjk fossman on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 08:24 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 09:00 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 11:41 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 11:43 AM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 11:14 PM EDT
- wrong - Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 27 2013 @ 03:53 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 02:21 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 29 2013 @ 12:18 PM EDT
- Stallman is right, though. This is a big deal. - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 02:40 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 07:28 PM EDT
- Stallman Calls Ubuntu Spyware; Asks FLISOL Not to Recommend It at Events in South America ~pj - Authored by: DannyB on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 01:49 PM EDT
- his "rantings" ? - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 06:05 PM EDT
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Authored by: TiddlyPom on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:03 PM EDT |
Firstly a disclaimer. I run Ubuntu myself (12.04 at the moment as I want to
keep my system stable for an extended period) although I do use other distros,
notably RHEL and CentOS for work purposes and Debian for embedded work + Zentyal
(which is an Ubuntu Server remix) for servers + Linux Mint (which I tend to
recommend to people migrating from Windows to Linux).
I am also an RMS fan although he does tend to shoot from the hip and does not
shy away from making enemies (look at the showdown between him and Theo De Raadt
over Linux and BSD-Unix).
It is pretty trivial to take out the extra 'lenses' if you want to and almost
everybody who uses Ubuntu knows about Mark Shuttleworth's love of integrating
ofline/online searching. It isn't to everybody's taste (it is true) but it is a
fairly reasonable distribution. You could always use Linux Mint as an
alternative! I actually quite like Unity myself but obviously it is not to
everybody's tastes. Considering that the code is available and that what it
does is well known, calling it SPYWARE is a bit harsh I think!
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Support Software Freedom - use GPL licenced software like Linux and LibreOffice
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- Ubuntu has done a huge amount of good in popularizing Linux - Authored by: nematoad on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:19 PM EDT
- Keep Calm and Install Xubuntu - I recommend Xubuntu, the fat free alternative - Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:56 PM EDT
- Ubuntu has done a huge amount of good in popularizing Linux - Authored by: rnturn on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:37 PM EDT
- " You could always use (XXX) as an alternative" - Authored by: BJ on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:56 PM EDT
- RMS does not shoot from the hip - Authored by: BJ on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 04:01 PM EDT
- "You can fix it or use something else"? - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 05:59 PM EDT
- It's not a popularity contest - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 07:33 PM EDT
- Ubuntu has done a huge amount of good in popularizing Linux - Authored by: be2weenthelines on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 10:44 AM EDT
- Says who? - Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 09:30 PM EDT
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Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:32 PM EDT |
:-)
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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:33 PM EDT |
:-P
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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: SilverWave on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 01:35 PM EDT |
-_-
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RMS: The 4 Freedoms
0 run the program for any purpose
1 study the source code and change it
2 make copies and distribute them
3 publish modified versions
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Authored by: albert on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:16 PM EDT |
when you try to monetize something that users don't pay for. What is there to
sell, besides information collected from your users?
Microsoft, Apple, Red Hat, and Ubuntu represent different ways of making money
by 'selling' operating systems. (Granted, greed may lead some companies to
collect user data as well)
I think Ubuntus unity-shopping-lens was a fiasco, absolutely. Mark could make a
lot more $ this way than by charging for the OS. User-data is the Golden Cow
that keeps on giving. (I was going to say Golden Calf*, but I'm not certain you
can milk a calf!)
I ask myself two questions:
1. Is it possible to obtain a 'libre' OS that respects my privacy?
2. What would I be willing to pay for it?
Does monetization always lead to unethical behavior?
If so, then libre may depend upon gratis.
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* in keeping with my penchant for biblical references.
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Authored by: Nemesis on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:26 PM EDT |
Information about me is personal and should not be sold or traded except by
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Authored by: rnturn on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:47 PM EDT |
What does the "F" in the acronym mean? If it stands for Freedom, I can see
why Stallman is concerned. His use of the word/term is more strict than most
peoples'.
Or maybe one of those "L"s could mean "Liberty", either way I can
see where his dispute might be coming from given Ubuntu's lack of concern about
alleged passing along user's use patterns off to third parties. I am close to
terminating any further use of a Facebook account because of the ridiculous ads.
("Like" something? Be prepared to start receiving ads about that even if your
"like" is only that you thought it humorous.)
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- Festivals? - Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 03:56 PM EDT
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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 05:27 PM EDT |
Found in the FLISOL mail list:
http://www.datamation.com/open-source/dispelling-fud-about-ubuntu-1.html
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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 06:25 PM EDT |
This discussion on the Flisol list may have started in late January when RMS
sent a message to Quiliro Ordóñez along
these lines:
Estimados amigos.
Richard Stallman (el
padre del movimiento del software libre) nos pidió recopilar una lista de
eventos que promuevan solamente software libre. Estos
eventos serán promovidos
por la red de la FSF (incluyendo FSF América Latina, FSF India y FSF Europa). El
requisito es que estos eventos promuevan
solamente software libre; es decir:
que no promuevan software no-libre ni tampoco combinaciones de software libre
con no-libre. Las ciudades que estén
interesadas en ser promovidas por esta
iniciativa, por favor manifiesten su interés con un correo electrónico
a:
info [arroba] fsfla.org
con el asunto:
Evento
libre.
[Google & I translate:] Richard Stallman (the father of the
free software movement) asked us to compile a list of events that promote free
software
only. These events will be promoted by the network of the FSF
(including FSF Latin America, FSF India and FSF Europe). The requirement is
that these
promote free software events only, ie: not promote non-free
software nor open source combinations with unfree. The cities that are
interested in being
promoted by this initiative, please express your interest
in an email to:
info [at] fsfla.org
with the subject:
Free
Event.
Discussion of this item started on March
9, and degenerated slightly (on
my meagre understanding of Spanish) into a
discussion on whitelists and blacklists and whether the FSF had any right to
dictate terms to event organisers.
From where RMS himself had to
remind listers March 22 that
Quilirio said he wanted to collect
a list of FLISOL network events that install only free
software.
Rather, I [RMS] proposed that FSF keep such a
list.
Then came the
reminder March 22 that PJ has taken as the lead for this
story, that it's
not just the propietary driver in Ubuntu, it also spies. Posters kept on about
RMS' and FSF's polical and or moral standpoints, and it wasn't until
RMS'
third reminder 24 March [PJ's second quoted msg above] that people
realised
his point about the spyware. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of Spanish
should read both threads, [Flisol] Eventos totalmente libres (pedido
de
Richard Stallman) and [Flisol] Ubuntu spyware from the
FLISOL mail list. The discussion is ongoing ...
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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 06:59 PM EDT |
Stallman may be thought of as an extremist, but his positions are always well
thought out, and usually quite perceptive and prescient. He created the GNU
project, and later the FSF, to make the kinds of things Canonical is doing
harder, but they cannot prevent it without restricting liberty and freedom. A
paradox.
I have used kubuntu for a number of years on laptops, because the drivers
usually just work. I use Gentoo everywhere else. I regret that I cannot do
Spanish to follow the discussion. (I can get through German, if pressed)
I don't always DO what Stallman requests, but I always pay attention. His
concerns give me pause, they point out the need to reconsider. We discount his
concerns at our grave peril.
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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 08:31 PM EDT |
I find it a bit ironic to see this post on Ubuntu at the same as the
following "newspick" on Google:
Google's
Google problem
What Google has actually done is create a
powerful infrastructure. The shape of that infrastructure influences everything
that goes online. (...) That's a lot of power to put in the hands of a company
that now seems interested, mostly, in identifying core mass-market services it
can use to maximise its return on investment.
How many people
raising complaints about Ubuntu use Google every day? For that matter, how many
people who are raising complaints about Ubuntu are actually using Ubuntu? Or is
this just another case of "any stick is good enough to beat the dog
with"?
I've yet to see any post from any Ubuntu-hater who actually has
any idea of how search works in Ubuntu on a practical basis. I use Ubuntu on a
daily basis, and my experience with it bears no resemblance to what I see people
saying. Are these posts that I see coming from an alternate universe which has
something called Ubuntu which is different from what is on my computer?
For the people who aren't familiar with Ubuntu, here's how search
works in practice. You click on the Ubuntu logo at the top left of the screen,
and a window flies out which shows you your more recently used programs, files,
and downloads. It keeps track of all of these using something called
"Zeitgeist", which is a Gnome project (and is also part of Gnome 3). If you see
what you want, you just click on it. Most of the time, what you want is right
there, so there's seldom need to do any searching.
If what you are
looking for isn't there, and what you want to do is to run a program, then you
can just click on the applications icon, which gives you a selection of program
categories. These are the exact same categories organized in the same way as in
Gnome 2. It's just down an extra menu level in Unity. Click on the program you
want, and it starts.
If what you want is a file, then you click on the
file icon, and it displays more file options. Off to the right is a set of menus
for filtering by date, type, or size, Again, once you find what you are looking
for, just click on it. It gives you a lot more depth and choice than the
"recently used files" list in Gnome 2.
Of course you could also just
fire up Nautilus and navigate to the file the same was as you always did before.
That is what I would normally do, as I would want Nautilus open in that
directory anyway.
If none of those suits you, you can, if you wish,
use the search feature. I use it occasionally to find a program that I seldom
use. The programs and files selection updates dynamically as you type. I've
never had to type more than one to three characters to find what I'm looking
for. Just exactly what someone would do with knowing that I typed the letter "s"
last week is not something that I'm particularly worried about.
Apple
has a search function like this called "Spotlight", although the details are a
bit different. In fact, Apple even has a patent on it, although I assume that
Ubuntu has worked around that aspect of it. Anyone who is familiar with Ubuntu
knows that they look to Apple rather than Microsoft for new ideas.
Now
lets take the common statement that "Ubuntu sends all your search results to
Canonical". First of all, the feature in question isn't even in the current LTS
release. It's in the experimental 12.10 release, but unless you are someone who
wants bleeding edge features, then you don't even have it.
Secondly,
let's look at how it works. The search function defaults to "search everything
that is search-able". That includes the Internet if you are using 12.10 (but not
the current 12.04 LTS). If you want to just search your installed programs, then
you click on the programs icon. If you want to search just your local files,
then you click on the files icon. So if you don't want to search the Internet,
just pick the local category that you want. This is assuming that you even use
the search function, which as I've said isn't something that in practice I find
sees much use.
Thirdly, let's look at what gets searched if you
decide to "search everything that is search-able including the Internet". A lot
has been made of the Amazon search plug-in, but it's only one of many which are
or will be available. Ubuntu included an Amazon plug-in as an example of what
can be done, but their current goals are for around 100 search plug-ins to be
available in the near future. Most of these will be by third party developers.
You can install or un-install plug-ins as desired. What each plug-in does is up
to the author. Whether those search terms go to Canonical or they go to someone
else is again up to the author. You can un-install the Amazon plug-in if you
want, and install a Github search plug-in, or have both, or as many search
plug-ins as you want. It's kind of like installing any Linux distro where the
first thing you do is get rid of the programs you don't want and add in the ones
you do. If you don't like to search the Internet when "search everything" is
selected, then well, just don't do that.
At the beginning of this post
I quoted a "news-pick" about how powerful Google has become. I sometimes wonder,
what would an Internet without an all-powerful centralized search giant look
like? You couldn’t' search the entire Internet on your own, but you could do
some sort of decentralized search of smaller sources which you select. You would
need some sort of client on your PC that had a plug-in system that would let
your search terms adapt to the myriad different sources of information. I guess
it would look something like the Ubuntu search feature. So, if you don't like
the idea of Google (or Microsoft or Baidu or Yandex) knowing every search you
do, then the future you should be looking to is Ubuntu.
So, when you
see people spewing their life's thoughts on their FaceTwit stream about how they
are concerned about their privacy if someone they decided to use a feature in a
distro that they don't even have installed on their computers, you have to
wonder just how much they really know about it.
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Authored by: tredman on Sunday, March 24 2013 @ 11:16 PM EDT |
There's a radio station here in the Tampa Bay area that I listened to for a
couple of years, that played modern progressive rock. Just recently, they
changed their format, and in my opinion, the result was not nearly as good as
what it was originally.
You know what I did? I changed the channel. It's about choice. You can either
make the choice, or kvetch about it.
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Tim
"I drank what?" - Socrates, 399 BCE[ Reply to This | # ]
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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 25 2013 @ 08:39 PM EDT |
Amidst the dying embers of the
flame war came a brief flurry
of attempted unsubscribes in response
to a mistaken belief that FSF had spammed the list. However someone pointed out
that amongst
the many distros available there are only eight
recommended by FSF. Just for fun I
have listed these in order according to the
DistroWatch Page
Hit Ranking
for the past 12 months, which we all know tells us
nothing.
trisquel, 94, Ubuntu
base
parabola, 147, arch base
[Warning: https certificate problem]
dragora, 153, from
scratch
ututo, 188, Gentoo
base
blag, 228, Fedora
base
gnewsense, 247, Ubuntu
base
dynebolic, not listed
musix, not listed
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- correction - Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 26 2013 @ 08:08 PM EDT
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